John Galt Presents: Country Girls Turning to the Dark Side

Sometimes I receive email from guys in Thailand who just want to argue and sharp-shoot me a little bit. They have high moral grounds and feel way above the fray because they live in Thailand with a wife, take care of family, run a business, etc. They think the working girl issue (problem) is readily and simply fixed and that anyone who dishes out money to them is in the wrong and reeking destruction on the Kingdom. So, here is a line from one of those emails that I received this week.

Morals are more associated with sex and religion. As you have read along for the past year, I typically don't tell anyone how to handle those issues. I do like to stand my ground on good ethics and I primarily pursue the concept of not ripping off your neighbor with dishonestly in a bad business deals. This is typically what we have been writing about in this web site. And primarily I have been calling down farangs taking advantage of other farangs. It's a hot topic and spurs much debate.

However, this reader has posed an interesting question above. And it's interesting because it conveys a common perception about how these girls may be pushed into prostitution. I believe others have made similar comments about how average girls could be turned to the dark side and begin to sell their bodies for fun and profit. (or perhaps just basic sustenance?).

The last time that I was exposed to this concept was long before I moved into the country.

Now, that I have had some ample time to experience life here in the country, perhaps we should just tally up a count of what has happened to some of these girls. I'm going to recount the girls that I personally have been involved with as I seem to keep track of most of them (or in some cases, they keep track of me).

I know of 2 Bangkok college girls. One of keep in contact with and she is still in school, the other I have not seen or heard from in 4 years.

I have been involved with 1 nurse. She is now married to a farang and out of the country.

1 girl who moved out of this area and is supposedly with a farang boyfriend (second hand information).

1 girl who is here and working a normal job (just had dinner tonight with her family).

1 girls who is reported at home and raising her child (have not seen here in over a year).

Another was pregnant and with her Thai boyfriend and I presume married. I have not seen her in a year.

1 Lotus Tesco girl who moved away to Phuket about a year ago, and now she is home again. She said that she wasn't going with farangs down there, but you never know. She says that she doesn't like Phuket now.

1 Girl was working a local karaoke bar and she was a pay for play girl to start with. I don't know where she is now. She was in the industry then and may still be at this time.

I can think of 3 or 4 other girls who I do not see and have no idea where they are.

So, out a group of about 15 girls I don't know of any one girls who was turned to the dark side by having sex with me.

Out of all these girls, 3 looked for a negotiated money up front. 2 or 3 asked for money the next day, and all other were in not interested in money - at least not as a requirement to continue seeing me.

I do know of 1 girl who I have seen in town that I was never involved with who is now down near Soi 4 in Bangkok. I suspect several others from town must rotate down there periodically, but I don't know for any these girls first hand. I typically don't go off with the pay for play girls in my home town. I don't don't hang out with that crowd of females.

Of out of these 15 that I have been involved with, 3 were inexperienced - virgins. (oops, I wrote that terrible word again).

15 in 5 years. Those aren't very big numbers. Of course, I do make it down to Pattaya on occasion so the entire total of my experiences is greater. But, still, I think I'm fairly conservative.

In my home town I tend to stick with one girl at a time and if I'm seeing one girl, I'll take her to Pattaya with me if I need to go there. Also, I'm busy and I don't get bored and therefore I don't need greater amounts of attention than I receive already. So, the numbers of girls that I'm involved with are fairly small.

Several other guys in town are certainly much more active than I. One guy here receives a stream of phone calls everyday from girls who want to line up in his queue. All of them pay for play. And he has a wife too. He has to rent a secondary apartment on the outskirts of town to handle it all. But, he is happy and these girls are making their own choices. Besides, the work is easy for them and in an hour or two, they make the equivalent of a full week's work or more. This farang blows most of his pension money every month on these girls and basic living expenses. BUT, he has never enjoyed himself more in his life. The girls are happy; he is happy. Who am I to say what is good for them? Yes, I think the girls should have more gainful employment because obviously their beauty is going to wane in a few years. But for now, they are young and attractive and are marketing their greatest assets. At any given point in time, aren we all do anything different? Aren't we all marketing our greatest assets?

Put the girls down. Make them feel like second class citizens. Tell them they are no good, and will not amount to anything. Discount their feelings. Take away their choices (because we all know they have so many choices right now).

Remove their educational opportunities or worse yet give them an inferior education by teaching how to use Excel spreadsheets. When they finish their schooling they'll soon realize they wasted several years because there will not be a job for them, because everyone knows good jobs aren't built around just knowing Microsoft office software.

Put them in debt. That's the ticket. Let a government office dole out a million baht loan to her parents who have no way to pay it back. Let their property and land be put as risk from the repayment of that loan. That will turn a daughter to the dark side.

Perhaps a relative will have a serious accident whose bills the hospital insurance plan will not cover. Perhaps her father or mother will contract cancer and be in need expensive treatment (and by the way, I know families who had parents with cancer and scrambling for cash. I have seen this myself personally).

Let a girl realize that her younger sister and brother don't have enough money for school. Certainly that might turn her to the dark side.

Some girls might even get pregnant and be forced to marry only to later abandon a bad relationship. That extra mouth to feed might be enough to turn them to the dark side.

If we are to believe that having sex with a country girl turns them into "hungry whores", then judging by the number of working girls in Bangkok and Pattaya, I would have to believe that are tens of thousands of farangs up country having a really great time with all the innocent naive country girls. Do those types of numbers match up at all? I don't think so.

The truth is that of all the girls in the country that I have been involved with (ie. had sex with), only 3 of them here had never had sex before. That means all the others had been with a Thai partner before they came across my path. So, would I have the kind of impact single handedly to inspire them to go to Pattaya? Would Thais males have this kind of impact?

Also, if we are to believe that these girls are being "bent" with sex, then why are so few of the girls in the west becoming working girls when they are having sex for the first time at a younger less educated age? Why are these girls here so much different than the girls in the west? Perhaps there are other very significant mitigating factors? Perhaps the culture the basic social economic issues have the greatest influence?

However, is it possible that fear keeps the Thai girls in place until they get over their fear of sex. Is it possible that when that fear is gone that they are then driven out in search of prosperity? I would think this is plausible. In some cases this must be true.

I have a feeling that Thailand could not be successfully and economically weaned off the tit of that great whore. I have a feeling that the ruling parties are trying to ease the country in a direction away from naught night life, but when the economy is a bit shaky (as it is now), the people in power back down and relax their NNL restrictions.

It looks like the Stickman Bangkok team and secured the talents of Mrs Doubtfire. That's right, she has been hired by this elite Bangkok group to taunt, tease, and otherwise threaten the Great John Galt (my real is Keith). It appears that I have been targeted for geriatric tag teaming.

Marc addresses me as "Keithy Weithy". I have a grandmother who calls me "Keithy".

Holt offer me a challenge and has some terrible threats to expose me. These are serious allegations. Seems that Holt and (perhaps Stickman?) traveled up country 500 km and passed through my city to dig up a little dirt on me.

As you may remember, Stickman's first

column back this year was a traveling trip through Issan and this trip included my town of Nakhon Phanom. 2 pictures of my town also showed up in Stickman's gallery.

Stickman in all his years to my recollection has never gone so far into Issan yet he did this just before return from little unscheduled 6 month hiatus and now Stick's right hand man is issuing threats and challenges based on information gathered on that trip. Makes you wonder about why Stickman takes my web postings so seriously.

Here is Marc Holt's latest web page directed at me. I have copied it and placed it on my web server because he tends to cut and run and hide once I have embarrassed him. (you'd think he'd get it right before trying to unleash hell on me).

Does Holt really have any respect for religion at all? Or is he just looking to get Christians exited to take up the fight for him? It strikes me that he is trying to appealing to ill informed readers who have a religious back ground.

Holt doesn't care about religion. He only cares about it when he wants to exploit it. He is using religion in this case to manipulate people to be angry. He is trying to create a mob by twisting words. Holt doesn't believe in any "religious" issue. He is phony.

I'll let Holt show this to you in his own words. Take a look at the first couple of paragraphs at an article that Holt wrote for WhiteBoysInAsia.com. Imaging there is no religion

This is really sad about guys like Holt and Stickman (Paul Owen). They are not true to themselves. Seems like they don't follow a single compass. The only follow the money and damn everything else. (oh, and of course Stickman Wai's his boss at work)

Did you notice the name of this web site? I speculated that Holt was a racist a month or so ago. Well, looks like I was right. I would not be publishing on any "WhiteBoys" web site myself. That could be taken as very insensitive to other races.

If you look around on that site, you'll also see an article where he accuses Israel for creating the collapsing of the world trade centers on 9/11. Here is that article. Not very bright. The logic in this article is so obviously flawed it's a wonder this guy knows how to satisfactorily tie his shoe laces. Again, I think he is just talking to everyone about anything just to get attention and pull customers over to Stickman and sell some gems from his own site.

I suppose I should buckle and quake in my boots about this

report that Marc had uncovered and deep dark secret about a local girl who's mother tried to shake me down for cash once she had learned that her daughter had come over and got involved with me at my townhouse (my previous residence).

That is a very interesting story and it's one that I should tell. I posted a reference to this story but no one really inquired about it, so I just hadn't followed up on it. (you can click on this image to see it in full size).

Of course, there is no need for any more of this to reach the light of day Keith. So here’s the deal. No one cares if you write about buffalo shit, or your cheapass toilet, or all the other mundane things you choose to write about. But we do object to your constant attacks on us. Unprovoked attacks. Nasty, mean, small-minded attacks that just serve to make you the laughing stock of the foreign community here.

So if you will take out all the references to us and just leave the dross of your other writing we will stop. That’s all you have to do Keith. If you stop your attacks, so will we. But if you continue, believe me, you won’t like it the further down this road we go.

Who is we? Who is us? Paul Owen and Marc Holt? Did you both come up here to Issan together to dig around in the dirt.... and here you guys have been talking about me like I'm the stalker (head shake).

For the better part of a year, Stickman has been telling his readers in email that "NotStickmanBangkok.com" has nothing to do with him. (which of course is laughable).

Now, we have a Stickman team member threatening and confessing that he represents Paul and saying that I need to back off.

Paul refers to Paul Owen, and Clayton refers to Clayton Wade of Premier Homes (article about my personal interaction with Clayton is here).

I do believe the I spoke with her on the phone. I do believe that I exchanged email with her. If she doesn't want to keep Marc Holt in the loop, then that is her business.

Marc is free and encouraged to direct any and all Thai authorities in contacting me. I would be happy to talk with them (and I've stated this before in several other emails with others), but you know Marc -- this is all going to feed back to you and Paul in the end.

I have emailed Stickman on a couple of occasions offering him a change to take this off the internet and move it more forward but he has always declined. Better consult Stickman before you escalate this beyond a point of no return. I have a feeling that the Thai authorities and news agencies might be interested in you!

I'm sure we talk about Marc Holt way too much here. Because in the grand landscape of things, he is fairly irrelevant (as so am I). But, he is the sand in my saddle right now so I'll need to give him his due attention.

Marc publishes a mixture of fiction and non-fiction and sometimes he uses the pen name of "Foster Foskin"

Instead of seeing Foster Foskin and tend to read it like "Foster Foreskin". Sorry, I know this seems disrespectful, but the Emperor has no clothes and neither does Foster Foreskin. I call it like I see it.

In his right hand he proudly professes alcoholism, in his left hand, a strangle hold on a "Shelia" of some type. I'm sure they would have drawn a woman in on that imagine instead of a kangaroo if they could have avoided the public outrage of it.

Does the squeezing of the left hand show his intent to abuse women? Well, does it? Or is it does it show an abuse to animals? Holt is the guy who keeps writing articles about child abuse and abuse of women. What is his problem that he is fixated on that kind of writing?

I don't know why Stickman is so cozy with this guy. It is written on the Stickman site that they are very good friends. Holt looks like a very big liability to me.

But, I can see why Stickman sent this junk yard dog after me. He is perfect for the part. Yea, he is really classy. If MangoSquashDave is out of action, then Holt is a reasonable substitute. I mean, someone has to speak up for Stickman if he is not going to speak up for himself.

Stickman had posted a so called email from one of his readers about rental deposit returns. I didn't even read like a real email. Sounded like a sound bite from a realtor. This was the first email in Stickman's list in the 1/7/07 column

The best way to get over the deposit problem is not to pay the rent for the last two months of one's intended tenancy. However, strictly speaking, this is illegal and landlords (of course) don't like the practice. But there are so many landlords, invariably Thai-Chinese, who hate to pay money back (because they most likely haven't got it at the time since they've spent it long since). What recourse do hapless tenants have? I did hear that in Pattaya some agents hold the security deposits instead of the landlords, which gets over this problem nicely, although I have never heard of it happening in Bangkok I must confess. I have heard of companies in Bangkok who will only put their staff into rented accommodation when landlords agree that the last two months' rent will offset the security deposits, less any adjustments for tenant damage, etc. In this way, the rent payer (the customer in other words) remains in the driving seat. In an ideal world the landlord would lodge that money into a separate bank account and leave it there, the intention being to return to the tenant at the end of the lease, less any monies retained to cover damage or outstanding telephone / utility bills. In practice, however, the landlord pockets the money and then forgets they even had it, so, in one or two year's time, they often cannot rustle up the money. I've heard of countless stories of landlords refusing to return deposits and then inviting the tenants to sue them in the courts - and we all know what a farce that would be; lawyers' fees alone would come to more than the amount in dispute and you are foreigner tackling a Thai citizen in a Thai court! The disreputable landlords know this and, irritatingly, you would even have to pay the police to help you assuming they would even be interested in intervening. Regrettably, it is a jungle out there and we should be grateful that the majority of landlords are fair and honest. That has been my experience in ten years of assisting farangs in finding rented accommodation.

Almost immediately on that Sunday, I get an email from a dual (Stick/NotStick) reader who says that he felt this piece was Marc Holt. Here is his email:

<this was> Holt Talking about getting Apartment security refunds...that's funny...I know a few guys who got stiffed buy him....He hooks up Farangs with Apartments then when Time to get the Security "He is not the landlord and has nothing to do with it".....except talking the person into the place saying what a great land lord this guy is...sure he gets a cut of the stiffed security deposit.....Never asking those douchebags advice again...

Evidently Holt did not want to standup for the customers in the end. I think this is wrong. I think if Holt had represented these people at the beginning to he should be standing by them in the end. What a failure this is.

See people, my speculation about Holt may be correct. He may not be a very good business man when it comes to your welfare. After all, Holt knows that you guys are going to be here for a short time and then leaving the country, whereas the local Thai/Farang owners butters his bread over and over again.

OH, but he'll treat you nicely and convince you that he is your champion..... He'll gladly guide you around and rave about the properties, but then push comes to shove and you need some representation -- Is he really going to support your cause?

The answer to this problem was right inside the article. He says "I have heard of companies in Bangkok who will only put their staff into rented accommodation when landlords agree that the last two months' rent will offset the security deposits, less any adjustments for tenant damage, etc". So, if this the way to gets around this problem, they you as a farang must ask for the same terms. Don't rent until you get the terms you want. Don't trust some guy who is not solidly in your court. Ask around. Get second opinions. Shop long and hard for the right deal and get rid of middle men.

By the way, the writer (Holt?) in the Stickman's piece about deposit returns, is probably got it wrong about Thai-Chinese. He wrote:

I don't find this to be true. Normally Thai-Chinese have money socked away. They just don't like to give it up. You'll find it is the Thai-Chinese who will start construction projects in the middle of a economic down turns because they have saved all their money and have beaten down the construction companies for their best prices during bad times in the economy. Oh, yes, they nearly always have money when the price is right.

Ever wonder how the Great Stickman looks so great? It's not his stunning hair dew. See if you can figure out what happened here..... (name was removed on this email)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: XXXXXXX <XXXXXXX@XXXX.com>
To: stickmanbangkok@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:55:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 1 year Visa

have you heard of this place ? > http://www.thaiwalen.com/html/student_visa.html

they "Guarantee" a 1 year visa ? ?

I would like to learn Thai and next to Soi Cowboy...too good to be true ?

XXXXXXXXX

You can click on this for a close up of this page. This was from Stickman's Weekly 7 July 2007.

This reader emailed me feeling upset and disappointed because Stickman published his find. He feels that he may not be able to secure a spot at the school now for himself because the school may now be over-run by other farangs looking for the same course for their one year Visa.

At the very least Stickman should have given credit to the reader for the find. Stealing credit on the scale of things is pretty small and but Stickman can not claim ignorance on this. He picked a somewhat obscure word "stumbled" to take credit. It's not like he said "I heard of", or "there seems to be", or "someone told me".

On the front of this action some face was gained because Stickman look like he is "in the know", but on the back end when it's reported that he lifted this information from another source, he loses big face because he is being a liar about the find.

The prevailing question is, if he so easily takes advantage of this email tip and there is really no direct financial gain involved, how likely is it that he would take advantage of other information if there IS financial gain involved and of course assuming that he thought that he would not get caught at the wrong doing? This is what I claim happened last year when Stickman reports news that was skewed in favor of one of his sponsors. (that was of course talked about at length months ago here on this site).

People who are honest when other aren't watching are the people you should trust. Sadly, these people are hard to find and unfortunately Thailand is full of people of the other type who will take advantage of you when you are not looking.

The culture here is buyer beware. The culture almost out-rightly suggests that if the customer is by nature a sucker, that he should be taken advantage of to teach him a lesson. And let me tell you Stickman in my mind, has adapted and adopted this culture. In Stickman's own words "I've changed". All it not lost though; we were told, and Stickman has admitted that he strictly takes of his shoes before he enters a home - how nice.

John Galt lambasted Stickman for falsely taking credit where credit was not due.

Berate is also another commonly used word. Censure is also used but Excoriate is not frequently used in the US.

So, I would learn Lambast(e), Berate, and Censure. These are solid power words that are well known in the west.

Word has it that David of MangoSauce is yet again cooking up a new web site endeavor. Although he'll deny it, looks like he will be continuing on his work under the BangkokGirlFriend.com name.

David will now further conceal his identity more than ever before to remain anonymous.

Some of the Thais favor a strange practice in their companies. When a demand of product drops (supply is unchanged) they sometimes will increase the price to compensate for lagging sales. They put the extra burden on the fewer customers that are left for that particular product.

This only means that some customers will look for a substitute products and sales will further decline. (In the west, we would discount down the price to encourage a return in the demand).

But here they seem to do the opposite and in some cases I would have to believe they destroy their market for the goods. When this happens the supplier will sit on the surplus of goods and just not sell them. This loss in circulation of this money is a loss in economic power and could cause a problem with the economy. (basic economic theory supports that concept that economies grow and strengthen when money circulates)

No one wants to loose money on a business deal, but Thais (and perhaps this is an Asian tendency) tend to sit on their assets when the demand drops; no doubt putting some of them out of business.

If you are new in business and don't know who to call for a supply or a service you may consider looking here. This is a called the Thailand Business Pages. I've been using this resource for about a year and it's been very helpful for my business. You can send a couple of hundred baht to them and they will send you the current issue. Because you'll be on their mailing list, the following year you'll probably get one for free (as we did this year). They can be contacted at www.ThailandPages.com.

There are a lot of middle men in these pages and you'll have to work up your contacts from those suppliers first.

We first purchased copper wire from a distributor found in the ThailandPages and that distributor left the markings of the larger wire manufacturer on the rolls. We would normally buy wire in quantities of 1,500 meters (2 or 3 rolls) at a time.

This year we increased our purchase to 20,000 meters and was able to buy from a manufacturer directly. We saved about 30% in the cost of the product this year. This is quite surprising considering copper prices are sky high this year.

It really pays to find the manufacturer and buy direct. There are few or no exclusive distributor relationships here in Thailand as there can be in the west, so always look for the source and buy there if you can. Let that apply to all your purchases. Look for the source.

Seems a factory that made products for shoe makers like Nike and Adidas, just closed a factory down. 5,000 people arrived one morning to a closed fence with a harsh announcement that all their jobs were lost.

I heard about this because my mold maker made molds for them. He lost a customer. Now that he lost a good customer, that loss will inevitably be passed on to me in the short run. So this plant closure mildly effects my company up country.

Is this another evidence that we are headed for a further down turn? I hope not but the strength of the bath is not helping matters.

A local Brit has also said that the Sterling Pound was down against the bath about 10% in the past six months. (but let's not forget the pound was soaring high against the baht a year ago).

Two weeks ago we were up again slightly. But, that dipped last week because I did not publish a new article. Holt's challenge article brought in some traffic that week based on the links in his article.

We still get about 1,500 to 1,800 readers for any particular column in a 2 week period.

Last week I posted a notice saying that I was laying low because of the threats against me. I was just BS's you and letting Marc and Stickman think that I was worried. Last week "the spi

der was bringing the flies in for a closer look". I wanted to get some email back from Marc confessing that he and Stickman were in this together and they had it out for me. Obviously, I did get that email.

Right now this has all been just a game. I don't take it all that seriously. In fact, Stickman on the phone personally has said to me "bad publicity is better than none at all" of course at the time, he was talking about how he had talked badly about Club Boesche in his weekly column. So, what's the harm in a little web sparring?

Evidently this year, Holt and Stick thought they should come by my town and ask around about me before they reopened the Stickman weekly column. And as I wrote before, the first column back was a a trip through Issan and that included my home town. This is a first. Should I make my way down to Stick's workplace and "have a nosey" around? Or should I go down to BKK and follow Holt back to his home and talk to his neighbors to get the scoop on his domestic troubles? (because let's face it, the neighbors know everything) I doubt he would appreciate that. But, they came here to both of my homes (previous and current). They somehow justified talking to the locals about me. I think we are approaching a slippery slope now. All over what? A web site?

Oh, just in case you're wondering about the roses (Marc reported this in his challenge article), here they are. I got involved with growing roses about 10 years ago as a hobby with a girlfriend in the US. At one point we had a yard full of them and they produced enough for fresh bouquets in the house everyday. It was a lot of work but very enjoyable. These flowers were all grown here in Thailand all started from what looked like a root ball and a stem.

Thailand does have a number of these varieties around but these particular bushes are grafted into a Dr Huey root stalk giving them better resistance to pest and fungus in their roots. These are considered patented roses and were purchased in the US.

These were flown in through the air port and I don't think customs took much notice of them. So, I speculated to one person in town that they might be considered illegal. Funny how people remember these little comments 4 years down the line.

It's is most definite that Holt and Stick have been here asking around about me.

Gosh, I sure am important for some reason. I suppose I must really be saying something significant about Stick's and Holt's questionable business practices for them to go through all this trouble come up country and find out about my roses and "dig up dirt" on me. I just didn't think they would be talking about gardening.

I may not be publishing next week. I have so much work piling up that I probably won't have the time next week. Business is very good right now and taking care of my operation and my people is job #1.